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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:09 am 
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I find it unlikely that he'd really recognize or know that Megaman has fought this battle two times before, or that it'd be destined to happen again, as he's only just joined the fray, while canon states Roll was built when Rock was, thus she's been here for all the fights.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:20 am 
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The Megas totally need a female singer if Continue is 'Roll' as some people say.
I'm still going with what I say about the Song being from the players perspective of not giving up on Mega man 3.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:15 am 
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Helios wrote:
My thoughts on continue.

If I may offer my corrections to Chicken Soup's lyrics (which were mostly fantastic, btw), it'd help sort this out.

Continue (revised)

You turn and see them in the sand
Your steps behind you and your hands
Of war
They're tired and they're worn

Footprints as far as you can see
This is who you are, you'll always be the one
The one to fair the storm

Chorus:
If it was up to you and you
You knew that you would lose
If it was up to you I know
You'd always chose to continue

You know this happened all before
You've seen what comes and what's in store
And you know it will all happen again

The fear was only momentary
But your role was never temporary
You know
This was never meant to end

Chorus

(To continue)
If it was up to you

Dialog/Story probably goes here during the instrumental

Chorus

To continue
If it was up to you

Chorus

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Now, having those, I think it makes it pretty clear at least who the 'You' is. It's the same person throughout. This person shoulders the burden, they fair the storm (This rules out Wily). This person's role was really, never temporary (meant to be). And they have hands of war that are tired and worn (Can't be Dr. Light, he's too far removed from the fighting).

Gotta be Mega Man. He was tired of (and depressed by) all this at the end of 2 and beginning of 3. By now, he's probably exhausted. And he DOES have hands of war, he's killed a bunch. Symbolically, he's also the one that would 'continue' at a game over. Also, it's just plain cool to start an album with megaman saying "if it was up to me" and then end it by someone else saying (About Megaman) "If it was up to you" Symmetry and all.

This 'you' is all one person, in light of the chorus. If it was up to Megaman, EVEN IF HE KNEW HE WOULD LOSE, he would continue onwards. That's the kind of person he is, continueing on in the face of (temporary) fear and even death.

So, it's about megaman, and whoever sings this is sympathetic to his cause. That leaves Protoman, Roll, Dr. Light, and an unspecified Narrator. Dr. Light JUST sang a song, and he's expressed the same sentiment before (The Message), so it'd be really redundant if it was him. Also, I don't think Dr. Light would admit that Megaman's role as a war machine was "Never temporary" Even if Dr. Light thought that was true (which I don't think he would: he never made mega man to be a war machine) he'd never admit it, even to himself.

It could be a narrator, and nothing could possibly rule that out.

Between Protoman and Roll is a little harder, but I like how both of these leave the situation. They're basically telling Mega Man what he's already known. He was (effectively) built for war, to fight for justice. This transitions nicely to Mega Man's response in Flying on a Dog, saying: No I am NOT a tool!

I think Roll is more likely, because Protoman just did a bunch of stuff to help steal Gamma, I think. Or at least, Dr. Light saw him fighting for Wily. But it could be Protoman observing Mega Man from a distance. More likely is Roll, given the tone. It's sad, knowing exactly what Mega Man might be feeling because she's been there for him since the beginning. It's also encouraging, telling Mega Man to get up and continue. She believes in him. I don't know if Protoman would feel that way.

My guess is Roll or Narrator.


Huh, funny, this post turned me almost completely against it being Roll.

Pretty much the very reasons you have for it not being Light, I'd apply to Roll now that I think about it.

Would she really call her brother these things? Unless the Megas take her into a drastically different character direction, Roll's always been sweet, kind hearted and entirely loving of her brother. The Megas even show her kind hearted nature earlier on in the album with Magnetman.

So would she really have such a cynical outlook on Megaman's life and his purpose? I have a really hard time believing her telling him he was always meant for this, he is just a war machine, and so. Especially because if she did feel this, as some have said, a bond between siblings can be close, she likely knows how Rock feels about such things. Can't imagine how badly it would further demoralize him to have his sister basically say "Yeah, you're just another machine of death, now go and kill Wily".

Why I am leaning more towards Protoman being the singer. While Protoman's not actively in the games, in game canon, he's been alive & kicking around. He's been made aware of what his little brother's been doing. In Megas canon, Blues has made a brief cameo, as someone else pointed out. He's readily aware of what his little brother's become, least in his eyes, and why I could believe it.

Course, as someone else said, it could just be a narrator.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:19 am 
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I know this thread title talks about spoilers, but seeing as how some might assume the spoilers will only pertain to Blue, anything I say about songs from Mauve will be in black text.

My main problem with the idea of Protoman being the singer mostly has to do with the overall feel of the song. I'm not as good as some of you with these interpretations, but from what I've heard of I'm Not the Breakman, Protoman sounds very bitter over how Light has treated him, and how Rock got preferential treatment. However, in Continue, the person singing seems to be encouraging the undefined "you" of the song, and spurring them on. If Blues were that bitter toward his father and his usurper, I don't imagine he'd feel very differently at the end of Blue.

As for the idea of it being about Wily, I hadn't thought about that much. The only objections I have to that are that I feel as if it's more likely for the last song to be about the protagonist, and also I have no idea who would be addressing Wily in such a manner (One of the robot masters? Doc Robot? The robot brothers that have fallen before?)

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Huh, funny, this post turned me almost completely against it being Roll.

Pretty much the very reasons you have for it not being Light, I'd apply to Roll now that I think about it.

Would she really call her brother these things? Unless the Megas take her into a drastically different character direction, Roll's always been sweet, kind hearted and entirely loving of her brother. The Megas even show her kind hearted nature earlier on in the album with Magnetman.

So would she really have such a cynical outlook on Megaman's life and his purpose? I have a really hard time believing her telling him he was always meant for this, he is just a war machine, and so. Especially because if she did feel this, as some have said, a bond between siblings can be close, she likely knows how Rock feels about such things. Can't imagine how badly it would further demoralize him to have his sister basically say "Yeah, you're just another machine of death, now go and kill Wily".

Why I am leaning more towards Protoman being the singer. While Protoman's not actively in the games, in game canon, he's been alive & kicking around. He's been made aware of what his little brother's been doing. In Megas canon, Blues has made a brief cameo, as someone else pointed out. He's readily aware of what his little brother's become, least in his eyes, and why I could believe it.

Course, as someone else said, it could just be a narrator.


This is a good point. I saw it more as someone attempting to level with Rock so as to get through to him, more than someone simply demoralizing him or being insensitive. Rock isn't likely to respond as well to the sort of idealism he exhibited at the beginning of Get Equipped; Dr. Light can tell him as many times as he wants that he isn't another machine, or that he isn't a war machine, but that doesn't mean he's going to believe it, or even react well to it (See Fly on a Dog, where he's very adamant about this). I saw Continue as someone trying to get on his level, and see things from his perspective, addressing him so he doesn't feel like he's being treated like some naive machine that can't understand what's really going on, but rather addressing the hard topics that others might shy away from, BECAUSE of their close connection with Rock. Because they know he can take it, they know he can Continue, regardless of the hardships.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:27 am 
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In Megas canon, Blues has made a brief cameo, as someone else pointed out


That thought crossed my mind too. But Dr. Light sings "You sent my first born back to me,
And put a gun in his dead hand" in (I Want to be the One) To Watch You Die. So, unless Light has repaired him since the last song, I don't think it'd be Proto / Blues.

However, the lyrics make sense from his point of view. Proto was very much an anti-hero in MM3, so the song could be him arriving on the battlefield singing to / about Megaman who has just been thrashed by Wily (hence the title / theme of "continue"). And, even though he is 'dead', I doubt we've seen the last of Protoman, so my money is either on him or Wily being the singer.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:37 am 
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aDifferentMachine wrote:
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In Megas canon, Blues has made a brief cameo, as someone else pointed out


That thought crossed my mind too. But Dr. Light sings "You sent my first born back to me,
And put a gun in his dead hand" in (I Want to be the One) To Watch You Die. So, unless Light has repaired him since the last song, I don't think it'd be Proto / Blues.

However, the lyrics make sense from his point of view. Proto was very much an anti-hero in MM3, so the song could be him arriving on the battlefield singing to / about Megaman who has just been thrashed by Wily (hence the title / theme of "continue"). And, even though he is 'dead', I doubt we've seen the last of Protoman, so my money is either on him or Wily being the singer.


It's also worth noting that there's been a few references to him, the most obvious being Wily's in Gamma Unchained. Where he implies Proto's already sort of gone off the reservation, in a sense, after being turned into a combat robot. Acknowledging he's fully repaired. And if he was present at Crashman's death...that's a pretty damning one for Protoman to see. Either theory on Crashman's death doesn't make Megaman look good in a pair of more cynical eyes.

"What the hell?! Did he just push Crashman into a hundred foot drop?!?"

Or...

"What the hell?! He just let Crashman fall a hundred feet to his death?!?"

And, of course, there's the theory someone on here had that I like. The explosion isn't Gamma, it's Blues crashing the party.

As for the line by Light, it should be noted that while Blues wasn't dead in the games, just wandering, Light believed him to be. Same thing sounds like it might've happened in Megas canon, PtF being the thing that blurs the lines a little on this subject. Could have been Blues, could have been a newly repaired Protoman watching that fight. Anyways, point is, I think that's not to be taken at face value and more Light's character being horrified by the realization his first son's alive & now been turned into what he is.

Speaking of which, I always found it an interesting case that Light was so angered by Wily turning Blues into a more combat based robot. Even in the Megas canon that seems to be the case. Wonder if a certain Blue Bomber will notice & find the dark humor in that. :P


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:50 am 
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I wonder if Josh is keeping tabs on this thread and giggling madly at all this discussion.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:31 am 
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Wait for it...

Continue is Wily singing to Protoman.

YOUR MINDS ARE BLOWN!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:29 am 
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Johnny AMERICA wrote:
I wonder if Josh is keeping tabs on this thread and giggling madly at all this discussion.
Even if he isn't yet, I'm positive he will once he gets wind of it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:47 am 
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I think everybody is forgetting that Needleman doesn't have ANY instant death spikes in his level, this is a very important part of the story, and what makes his character so tragic.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Mini-Boss wrote:

My main problem with the idea of Protoman being the singer mostly has to do with the overall feel of the song. I'm not as good as some of you with these interpretations, but from what I've heard of I'm Not the Breakman, Protoman sounds very bitter over how Light has treated him, and how Rock got preferential treatment. However, in Continue, the person singing seems to be encouraging the undefined "you" of the song, and spurring them on. If Blues were that bitter toward his father and his usurper, I don't imagine he'd feel very differently at the end of Blue.



But keep in mind that according to what they said at the listening party, the end of the blue album, even though it is just the first half, coincides with the end of the red (oops I mean mauve) album. So Continue occurs at the end of the album, and think about what happens at the end of Megaman 3, Protoman saves Megaman's life. So although Protoman is angry in I'm Not the Breakman, his feelings may change by the end of the album.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:47 pm 
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Can you guys not hear? It's clearly Josh singing Continue....dunno if you guys are familiar worth the band.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Johnny AMERICA wrote:
I wonder if Josh is keeping tabs on this thread and giggling madly at all this discussion.


Why do you say that? I've been listening for years but I just started visiting the forums so I'm not familiar with the band members themselves.

Seriously though, the lyrics for some of these songs are genius. Especially in the way it ties together. Dr. Wily and his robots as sympathetic characters is something that I had never considered before. It definitely adds a whole layer of depth to a game that was pretty vapid other than great gameplay. I've never connected with a super-villain on an emotional level like this before. :P

You'd think lyrics discussion would be something that they would like to hear. It shows they have fans who actually care about what they write.

Unless you mean he's giggling because we have no idea what we're talking about and are way off base.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:50 pm 
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CDinkel91 wrote:
Can you guys not hear? It's clearly Josh singing Continue....dunno if you guys are familiar worth the band.

Finally somebody is making some sense in here!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:57 pm 
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aDifferentMachine wrote:
Why do you say that? I've been listening for years but I just started visiting the forums so I'm not familiar with the band members themselves.


Josh is the most "into" the story aspect of it all, and based on what they've said in the podcasts (which you should totally listen to, by the way) it seems like he tends to come up with the bulk of the unrefined lyrics that they all then chip away at and perfect as they go. I like to imagine him reading threads like these with all the speculation as to who's singing what, how they feel, what they mean, etc. and just being super entertained by it. Not in a "HEH THOSE IDIOTS DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING" kind of way, but in a "Oh man the shit we write is drumming up so much intense discussion, this is great!" kind of way. I mean I'm sure they all dig this sort of stuff but I just said Josh in particular because we generally regard him as "the plot guy".


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