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Jay C
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:46 pm |
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_________________ exoskell wrote: Also… know that you are not and were not ever just fans to me.  Rest in peace Trevor
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ProtomanX904
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:21 am |
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Everytime I post an anime-related picture... Also, in response to Jay C:  ... Sorry, wrong picture.  There we go.
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Diveman
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:25 pm |
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_________________ Adventure... excitement... a dough manipulator craves not these things.
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Jay C
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:49 pm |
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_________________ exoskell wrote: Also… know that you are not and were not ever just fans to me.  Rest in peace Trevor
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Johnny AMERICA
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:52 pm |
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At this point who really gives a shit about on-disc DLC? Everyone fucking does it now. Nobody's going to boycott it, people getting buttmad about it isn't going to stop it from happening. If you don't want the DLC don't buy the DLC. If you don't want the game, don't buy the game. I don't like it either but it's becoming more and more common, Capcom is just pioneering the bullshit harder than everyone else.
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jigger
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:09 am |
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Costumes is one thing, I'm cool with that, I don't buy it and it doesn't change my game at all, characters in a fighting game is entirely different.
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StinkDude1
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:25 am |
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Helios
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:43 pm |
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Thing is, if they think that the extra developement time that went into it was worth the extra cost, then they have that right to expect that payment. They have a full game, costs normal amount. Then there's extra stuff, hey, it makes sense to have an extra cost for it. But not everyone wants that extra content. Would you rather buy a game bumped up in price for everyone, or would you rather buy only the extra content you want?
Being on the disc already is absolutely meaningless. That's just a convenience thing. If you want the extra content after an already full game, then you just have to unlock that portion of the game disc, not physically get anything new. Makes it easier.
I think that it's a major marketing strategy. It lets them earn more money. Because let's face it, even if it was a particularly full, complex game, would you pay $20 more than a typical game? I've seen games that trend at about $5 more than usual, and that's fair. But start selling a game for $80 and that's a turn off, even if it's got the content to back it up. Sell it at $60 like a normal PS game nowadays, then offering more content later makes more people willing to buy it. It also encourages impulse purchases, because it's 'just a few bucks' here and there. I don't think it's a particularly honest strategy, but it's also one that both works and lets the designers feel like they can put more work into a game, instead of having to put $60 per game of effort in.
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Johnny AMERICA
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:07 pm |
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BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DAYS WHEN YOU COULD GET THE FULL GAME ON THE DISC/IN THE CARTRIDGE HUH??? WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE HALCYON DAYS OF OUR YOUTH?
What? What do you mean games were also shorter and cheaper to make than they used to be? Fuck you I'm entitled to everything.
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Jay C
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:20 pm |
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You're missing the point. DLC stands for Downlable Content. I'm not downloading anything when it's Disc Locked Content. The way I see DLC, it's extra. I don't need DLC to enjoy my game. It should come as an after thought, not as a money milker. Had a great idea for a new game mode or character? Great! Crank out the code and offer it as DLC. What's that? New guns or maps for your favorite game? Cool, slap a reasonable price on it and shove it as DLC. Want to offer an incentive for people to buy special editions that include more content or goodies? Sweet, free DLC with the purchase of the special edition!
What companies have now decided to do is finish the game and then begin locking out features of the game to make you have to buy it as DLC. I'm sorry but I'm not giving anyone $60 for a game that I can't fully access. I paid for all of these fucking features. What infuriates me the most is that with Disc Locked Content is that THEY ALREADY MADE ALL OF THIS SHIT A HEAD OF TIME, you just have to pay to eventually get your hands on it. That's not how you do it. They're holding it hostage. Too bad people will actually pay the ransom for them.
I'm sorry but modern gaming is dead to me.
_________________ exoskell wrote: Also… know that you are not and were not ever just fans to me.  Rest in peace Trevor
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StinkDude1
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:43 pm |
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I think the reason people get angry about on-disc DLC is because it doesn't follow the original idea behind DLC. The way DLC was marketed when it first started happening was as an extension to your games; a way for developers to give you new content for your games down the line. The fear a lot of people had was that DLC would become a way for developers to sell you things they could've/should've given you with the game (and would've given you if DLC didn't exist). Personally I don't care THAT much, but I do prefer DLC as a way to get more content down the line instead of a way to get content on the day of release that the developers decided to charge extra for.
edit: Jay C pretty much said what i said better than i said it so read his post instead
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Johnny AMERICA
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:18 pm |
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jigger
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:33 pm |
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It just really bugs me that a fighting game would be doing this. Having the first Map Pack on the disc of Gears of War 3 was shitty, but didn't really effect me unless I really wanted to play on those maps, The characters in a fighting game are everything, one new guy can completely change the balance of the whole game.
If a guy has a map pack, costume/weapon skin I don't have in a shooter we're still essentially still on a level playing field when I face him, but that's not really the case with a fighting game, especially if some of these characters end up being significantly better than those that are unlocked from the start.
It also is almost on the same level as shitty DRM in a way, why should I buy the game for $60 then be asked to pay even more per character when I can pirate the game, unlock all the 'dlc' characters for free day one and not have to wait until this exclusivity deal with the PS vita runs out? I have no incentive to actually buy the game and support it at this point with business practices like that.
I'm just talking about this one situation, obviously. I don't feel all on disc DLC is the devil, nor do I think all online passes are bad. I feel that this would have been a good place for an online pass in fact, buy the game new and you get the characters as they roll out, get it used and you have to pay for them, as it stands right now this is just capcom milking the game for money.
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Johnny AMERICA
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:58 pm |
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jigger wrote: The characters in a fighting game are everything, one new guy can completely change the balance of the whole game. See the thing about that is at a novice/casual player level, "balance" doesn't really matter unless it something like Dark Phoenix from vanilla MVC3, who so obviously broke the fucking game wide open that they had to change the way an entire game mechanic worked in order to tone her down. On a tournament level, nobody's going to use any of these characters. They're coming out so late that even if they're good, nobody's going to want to learn them more than likely, because they'll have figured out their preferred characters, unless it comes with a balance change like SSF4/AE/UMvC3 did because some people had to replace their old characters with new guys.
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ProtomanX904
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:25 pm |
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GODDAMN IT 403! Anyhow, since we're still talking about fighting games, here is a picture I tried to upload:  P.S. The Protoman/Coolspot image is awesome. It shall now be my Vita's wallpaper... when I get one.
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