I love The Protomen and their music, that is all.

I love the Protomen's setting. It's dystopian Mega Man, which is fucking amazing.

Protoman

Hope Rides Alone:
Twelve years Light worked and on a cold night in the year 200X, Protoman was born.
A perfet man, an unbeatable machine, hell-bent on destroying every evil standing between man and freedom, built for one purpose, to destroy Wily's army of evil robots. Ready, willing, prepared to fight

The Sons of Fate:
(Proto: If these people tell this story to their children as they sleep)
(Maybe someday they'll see a hero is just a man who knows he's free)



Definition of MARTYR (Merriam Webster Dictionary)
2: a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle

I am completely biased and you should disregard my opinion entirely. I'll put some effort into listening to The Protomen again

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Yes exactly

are you just posting vaguely irrelevant information or are you trying to agree with me?

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This signature has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at hand.

I never saw it as him losing on purpose, at least the first time. I think when he went up against Wily's forces, he was simply outnumbered, even if he was overall a better machine than anything Wily put against him. He fought to win, but since no one followed his lead and tried to help him, in the end he lost. When he fought Mega Man, I'm also not sure he was taking a fall on purpose. Throughout The Stand and Sons Of Fate, he makes statements that reflect that he's given up on mankind, and if Mega Man wants to free humanity it's his choice, but he (Proto Man)'s not going to just lie down without a fight and in the end Mega's just going to be disappointed when he realizes the same thing that Proto Man did. If he died to teach anyone a lesson, it was Mega Man, not mankind. As he dies, he has a brief moment of clarity, reflecting that maybe, just maybe, what happened here will be enough to convince Man to stand for himself, but in the end Proto Man's previous statements come true; they just trade out one savior for another and expect Mega Man to do all the work for them, at which point he leaves them to be slaughtered.

Vaguely irrelevant? How is something vaguely irrelevant? It's either relevant or it's not.

Why would I be trying to agree with you? You didn't post anything that was a statement, you are confused about what is being discussed.



Well I gather my facts from the lyrics and the storyline put forth by the Protomen.

My last post already shows where it says he's unbeatable and is hellbent on destroying every evil standing between man and freedom.

Protoman realizes that Dr. Wily and his army of robots isn't the only evil standing in the way of the people's freedom, it's the people's lack of desire to fight for themselves. Doctor light says this to Megaman in the third song, but Megaman refuses to listen and leaves to fight Proto's fight. Through the course of battle with Proto, Megaman understands that what Proto said is true and turns his back on the people.

Protoman is never a bad guy in the story. He could have defeated Wily himself and saved the people, but even if he saved them, they would not save themselves in the future. That's his point. They are a damned people, that's why they say "We are the Dead".

Thus, Protoman will not kill his brother and allows himself to be defeated to show the people what it is to be a hero. Even when Protoman sacrfices himself, the people still don't understand what's going on.

That's basically the point of the entire story, if you don't see it now, I'm sorry. I can't explain it any better.

It's actually the whole point of the Protomen. They talk about "The Resistance" and Wily spreading lies. Why would they name their band after the antagonist?

The whole first album is focused on Protoman himself. The story is about the fight of Protoman.

Megaman:
Send me the best you've got!
Send me your strongest machine!
The fight my brother fought...
Here, now, will end with me!

Just cause he says he's unbeatable, doesn't really make him unbeatable.

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"Divide by Sharpedo? Pft, more like devoured by Sharpedo!" - Jay C; MAGfest 8

Did you come up with that by yourself or did you ask your mom during dinner?

"Mom, if Mega Man is blue, does that make him sad?"
"No honey, it doesn't mean he's sad."

I'm just pointing out that you're basing this all around that one line, a line that may or may not be true. It's pretty flawed, but whatevs.

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"Divide by Sharpedo? Pft, more like devoured by Sharpedo!" - Jay C; MAGfest 8

Get the album and learn about what you're talking about before you start telling me how flawed my interpretation of the story is.

I'm actually basing it on the entire story, but I'm not going to explain it all again. I can't teach comprehension.

Hey, whaddaya know, I do in fact own this album and know what I'm talking about. Back to saying that your interpretation is flawed! Though, I'll admit, it's pretty fucked up of me to say that you see the story wrong. Unless the Protomen come out and say "Proto did/didn't die on purpose" neither of us could be right nor wrong. Interesting take you have on it.

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"Divide by Sharpedo? Pft, more like devoured by Sharpedo!" - Jay C; MAGfest 8

Majin. Stop being a whiney bitch and accept that people have different opinions.
Yours is the incorrect one. ;D

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Yeah it was pretty fucked up of you, but I'm glad you're intelligent enough to take at least a neutral stance on the subject. Even though the narration states very clearly that he's an unbeatable machine.



Go back under the rock you crawled out from. By the way, did you finally make a song that doesn't sound like shit?

Okay, fine. If that's the way you want to play this, let's go. You're not the only one getting his information from "the lyrics and storyline put forth by the Protomen". At no point in the lyrics or the booklet does it say that Proto Man allowed himself to be defeated. In fact, it does say this:

Immediately after that, within the lyrics, it states that there were "countless robots remaining" and that Proto Man was "struggling to remain standing as Wily ordered the final attack". It's at that point that the crowd refuses to lift a finger to help him, even as they watched "his last defense deployed". Proto Man doesn't have any grand revelation on the nature of man in the midst of his fight, or at least none that's actually referenced within the lyrics or story. Going strictly off of what's presented in writing, all that we know is that he was defeated while mankind watched, and then years later was bitter about the whole thing. There's no such thing as a "perfect man, an unbeatable machine"; that part is just Light being confident in his creation that he put twelve years of work into.

You shouldn't assume that you're the only person who's put thought into this and knows his sources to back himself up, bro. Other than YCobb and MegaRockNRoll, I'm pretty sure every single person who's posted over the last couple days in this thread has physical copies of both their albums.

also the arm is protomans armcannon guys

EDIT: Hurp durp. I mean Noxman, not MegaRockNRoll.

EDIT EDIT: HURP. I also mean TRC, not YCobb. There's too many of you fuckers.